Friday, February 10, 2006
Free Grace or Lordship Salvation? (Index)
Because my "Free Grace or Lordship Salvation?" series was ten posts long, I thought it would be best to create an index post that links to all the entries. Here they are:

This post is also where comments are allowed to discuss my series and conclusions. I welcome your thoughts.
posted at 3:30 PM  
Comments (6)

At 11:42 PM, Blogger H K Flynn said...

I'm glad you entered this debate, John. You did a great job of quoting both sides and attempting to accurately portray the Free Grace side even though you don't agree with it.

For that I thank you.

I disagree that the Scriptures and reason support your conclusions. Gotta go now, but will give you my reasons soon.

I just blogged on James, if you are interested.

At 4:07 PM, Blogger John said...

HK Flynn,

I look forward to your response.

At 4:05 PM, Blogger tmssteve said...

I'm grateful to see another former Mormon who has come to Christ and embraced the Doctrines of Grace. Preach the Word!

At 4:12 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

don't just call them Parts 1-10. Give the links meaningful names. This will help your visitors, and may also increase your google pagerank for these items.

Also, if you go back into those posts and put a link to the next article, that would help too.

At 10:45 PM, Blogger H K Flynn said...

Hi John,

Congrats on getting on Jonathan Moorhead’s blogroll ;)

Again I appreciate your tone concerning this debate.

There may be some misunderstandings still, but instead of appearing to quibble right away ;~) let me say there was one John MacArthur argument that I had never heard or at least really noticed before that I thought was very good.

As you know, Hodges argues that John’s silence concerning repentance is highly significant and that it proves that he didn’t consider repentance to be a part of the offer of eternal life. I stand by his argument.

You quote MacArthur’s position:

“It is true that John does not use the word repentance, but . . . our Lord did not use the word grace. One suspects no-lordship theologians would recoil from any suggestion that the doctrine of grace as missing from Jesus' teaching" (MacArthur, Faith Works, 81).

You go on, "The point is not whether the word repentance is found in the Gospel of John, but whether repentance was taught. It is obvious that Jesus does speak about the idea of repentance in the book of John. MacArthur demonstrates this by saying, "To John, becoming a believer meant resurrection from death to life, a coming out of darkness and into light, abandoning lies for the truth, exchanging hatred for love, and forsaking the world for God. What are those but images of radical conversion?" (Ibid., 82) So, it is easy to see that John did not leave out the concept of repentance in his gospel.”

What I would say is that understanding the doctrine of Grace, or the definition of Grace, or anything at all about the concept of grace is in fact utterly unnecessary to receive the gift of eternal life.

Also irrelevant is if explicit topics like discipleship actually infers repentance because this topic (either discipleship or repentance) is never routed back into the simple offer of the gift of eternal life.

What is necessary to receive the gift of eternal life is found in John’s purpose statement in ch 20:

Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

The way this is unpacked is important. The phrase “that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God” is found in chapter 11:

aid to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?" She said to him, "Yes, Lord; I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of God, who is coming into the world."

Martha is a woman who was very likely discipled exclusively by Jesus himself. She knew what he meant when he said that he was the Lord of the Resurrection, and that “whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die.” She knew He was referring to His role as the Christ, the Son of God.

Turning to another of your sources, I was disappointed with the analysis of Millard Erickson. He apparently accepts as a given that, as you say, “portions of Scripture refer just to repentance for salvation, that other sections refer only to faith for salvation, and that other segments of the Bible refer to both repentance and faith (as necessary for salvation).”

Where do you or does he get that starting premise?

But I did appreciate your breadth of sources: esp Michael Horton’s Christ the Lord and Hodges, the Hungry Inherit. Those are both old but important.

Thanks for the exchange; it is an important topic!

Warmly in Christ,


At 12:53 PM, Blogger H K Flynn said...

Hey, you and John MacArthur must be on the same diet :)

Great avatar!


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